Melian - Shadow & Omnipresence

Graley wrote:

No, this is a shadow impaling ability.

Graley wrote:

Yes, but being impaled by shadows is different. It'd be like having an ability to freeze the blood in someone's body. Sure, you could probably deflect the magic and all but you wouldn't expect a blood-freezing ability.

Then what are you trying to argue, this has nothing in common with a "blood freezing ability"

Gambit wrote:

Graley wrote:

No, this is a shadow impaling ability.

Graley wrote:

Yes, but being impaled by shadows is different. It'd be like having an ability to freeze the blood in someone's body. Sure, you could probably deflect the magic and all but you wouldn't expect a blood-freezing ability.

Then what are you trying to argue, this has nothing in common with a "blood freezing ability"

That it's hard to parry and counter since most inhabitants in Aeria wouldn't know anything about it or how to defend against it. It can easily be used to dispatch of anyone and seems overpowered.

Graley wrote:

Gambit wrote:

Graley wrote:

No, this is a shadow impaling ability.

Graley wrote:

Yes, but being impaled by shadows is different. It'd be like having an ability to freeze the blood in someone's body. Sure, you could probably deflect the magic and all but you wouldn't expect a blood-freezing ability.

Then what are you trying to argue, this has nothing in common with a "blood freezing ability"

That it's hard to parry and counter since most inhabitants in Aeria wouldn't know anything about it or how to defend against it. It can easily be used to dispatch of anyone and seems overpowered.

Yes, most people Aeria don't get into fights with people randomly, and are commoners. You can say this about anything if you're fighting the right person. I don't see what is overpowered, for a lot of things can be "overpowered" in a sense. Be specific, and I can see what I can do.

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Alright, after some reading and a bit of research, here's what I've got to say:

Previous to this, Melian's alignment wasn't evil, thus, he wouldn't have past experience with Shadow magic, correct? Following that logic, his overall skill level should actually be low for several reasons: One, he's not evil, so even if he can connect with the Shadow Weave, it's not intuitive to him, he has no instinctual control over it. Two, he has no experience with the Shadow Weave either, so any magical skill he has built up so far is really dumbed down (Shadow magic is vastly different from all the other spell categories). And three, this one being a guess on my part, but if Melian is a wizard, then I would be right in assuming most of his training and ability has gone into weaving magic, not the direct manipulation of magical energy, correct? So, he might be a little clumsy, there, too, like his spear may not always be a spear, it may not always go the direction he wants it to go, or do it in an efficient manner- sometimes it might not even manage to remain manifested. To give Melian credit, his vast magical knowledge and experience will help him, I'm sure, but he's going to need 3 (or maybe just 2?) entirely new skill sets just to use this ability.

Also, I'd hate to play devil's advocate right now, but have Melian's previous powers been applied for? This is general question out to everyone, not Gambit specifically. If not, that's bad, and if yes, I'd like to see the app for further reference, if it exists.

Also, hold the phone, just re-read this in Melian's app:

In Melian's profile, Gambit wrote:

Being old, limited, and not respected, along with some plans being ruined. Melian did something to change that. Combining certain alchemical potions, teleportation magics, and a tad bit of necromancy, he was able reverse his age at the cost to a thing dear to him. Knowledge. With this "new age" he is able to relive his life and achieve even more.

Is this some kind of 'forgets a lot of magic' nerf?

http://aeria.omgforum.net/characters-f8/melian-the-wizard-t974.htm

Older app, made developments

Okay, now please address everything else I mentioned.

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Alright, after some reading and a bit of research, here's what I've got to say:

Previous to this, Melian's alignment wasn't evil, thus, he wouldn't have past experience with Shadow magic, correct? Following that logic, his overall skill level should actually be low for several reasons: One, he's not evil, so even if he can connect with the Shadow Weave, it's not intuitive to him, he has no instinctual control over it. Two, he has no experience with the Shadow Weave either, so any magical skill he has built up so far is really dumbed down (Shadow magic is vastly different from all the other spell categories). And three, this one being a guess on my part, but if Melian is a wizard, then I would be right in assuming most of his training and ability has gone into weaving magic, not the direct manipulation of magical energy, correct? So, he might be a little clumsy, there, too, like his spear may not always be a spear, it may not always go the direction he wants it to go, or do it in an efficient manner- sometimes it might not even manage to remain manifested. To give Melian credit, his vast magical knowledge and experience will help him, I'm sure, but he's going to need 3 (or maybe just 2?) entirely new skill sets just to use this ability.

Also, I'd hate to play devil's advocate right now, but have Melian's previous powers been applied for? This is general question out to everyone, not Gambit specifically. If not, that's bad, and if yes, I'd like to see the app for further reference, if it exists.

Also, hold the phone, just re-read this in Melian's app:

In Melian's profile, Gambit wrote:
Being old, limited, and not respected, along with some plans being ruined. Melian did something to change that. Combining certain alchemical potions, teleportation magics, and a tad bit of necromancy, he was able reverse his age at the cost to a thing dear to him. Knowledge. With this "new age" he is able to relive his life and achieve even more.


Is this some kind of 'forgets a lot of magic' nerf?

Yes, it may not be instinctive and hard to control but that's where the eyes come into play. As long as he can see, he can guide it as best he can. It is my fault for not adding a skill bar but he wouldn't be a pro overnight. So really, practice makes perfect. Also Munroe would be helpful here to back up the allowance of power promised by Shar.

It was a good nerf also, not like he was overpowered or anything to begin with.

Okay, thanks for clearing that up.

Bar now added as 2/10 ability points at start. each point is an addition of # of controllable spears/snakes as well as a percentage of motor control and being able to maintain it.

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Waiting for the community's reaction.

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Read over it. I know Gambit is responsible and looked at the skill rating aswell.
I'm tossing my approval in.

I don't see why not. *Tosses approva.l*

bump

Hum. I like the fact that he starts at a low level of skill and the fact that his power can vary because of the time of day. It also helps that any damage to the extensions are felt by Melian. With these balancers, I feel I can toss Gambit an Accept.


Now, unless anyone else has anything to say...

I see people on, and no comments. So I assume these three accepts get me approved.

Just cause people are on doesn't mean they want to take the time to read your app, or comment on it.






I'd approve but I don't trust Gambit.

PuPeT-KaI wrote:

I'd approve but I don't trust Gambit.

Thanks I always check for you size zero stuff

I'd tell my opinion of this if I figured out what it is in the first place. I just have trouble with wrapping my head around the whole skill.

Woop, first on fourth page.

Markka wrote:

I'd tell my opinion of this if I figured out what it is in the first place. I just have trouble with wrapping my head around the whole skill.

Woop, first on fourth page.

Be specific please.

Can he just use any shadow he knows about? Like, could he just stab you with your own shadow or the Emperor with the shadow of his crown or something? Or does he need to "touch" the shadow to be able to manipulate it?

Okay, so he or his shadow-extension must be in touch in whatever shadow he'd want to manipulate, or else it's just a normal shadow. Right?