Injustice, Provocation, and Rule 9

Hello, my dear Oldeners. Nice day, ain't it?

Now, I bring with me some logs, I'd like you to read. And read carefully. For they will be needed as evidence in my further arguments.

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[OOC]CLOCKS ON A SEESAW: Yeah, that's being immature
Owen Quinney | Crimzon_Reaper|<3 [LOOC]: Maggot*
*** Zaku Daikun sighs, grabbing Oddric by the collar.
[OOC]CLOCKS ON A SEESAW: just STOP throwing insults around
Oddric | Oddric [LOOC]: You were out of line back then. Anyways bic.
[OOC]Zaku: I can't do that.
[OOC]Oddric: STFU AND BIC OR I RAPE YOU. --------------------------------
[OOC]Rutabega: srs
[OOC]Zaku: Oddric, you broke a rule there.
[OOC]Zaku: Ruta, please enforce.
[OOC]CLOCKS ON A SEESAW: OOC LINE HATH BEEN PLACED
Stephen Kisaki: Carry him and throw him in chains out in Cell?
[OOC]CLOCKS ON A SEESAW: Oh wait...
[OOC]Rutabega: Zaku, I should ban you too for trying to wind up Moon
[OOC]Oddric: What rule, the rule that I'm telling you that you should BIC.
[OOC]Rutabega: so shush
[OOC]CLOCKS ON A SEESAW: The rule about sex talk
[OOC]Zaku: Rape is not allowed to be spoken off, on server.
[OOC]CLOCKS ON A SEESAW: Rule 9
[OOC]Zaku: Thank you, Moon.
[OOC]Narran: it's a serious, scarring experience
[OOC]Narran: idiots.
[OOC]CLOCKS ON A SEESAW: Yw *cough*
[OOC]Zaku: So, I do believe.
[OOC]Zaku: There is punishment tha tneeds to be dealt.
[OOC]ness: *ahem*
[OOC]Zaku: If I got banned for putting a belt on my child. Because of Ness.
[OOC]Oddric: ...*Coughs* Not nessecarily Narran, i've heard otherwise.
[OOC]ness: wat
[OOC]Zaku: Oddric, shut up.
[OOC]Zaku: Before so help me god, I'll kill you.
[OOC]Zaku: You haven't been raped.
[OOC]Oddric: Silence! ---------------------------------------
[OOC]Rutabega: I did that because I specifically told you I didn't want to hear more of that
[OOC]Zaku: You don't know.
[OOC]ness: stop teh arguing zaku. lets just all ignore eachother.
[OOC]Zaku: So? I just specifically said I don't enjoy hearing rape.
[OOC]Oddric: ^
[OOC]Zaku: My words don't matter?
[OOC]ness: i never brought it up
[OOC]ness: so dont bring me into ur shit.
[OOC]CLOCKS ON A SEESAW: Requesting OOC timewarp, to where no arguments had been started
[OOC]Oddric: Not when you
[OOC]Oddric: Not when you are whineing. Now STFU all of you and BIC- we're all at fault. ------------------------------------------
[OOC]Zaku: No. No not all of us.
[OOC]Zaku: Narran isn't.
[OOC]CLOCKS ON A SEESAW: OOC LINE HATH BEEN PLACED
[OOC]Zaku: Moon Isn't.
Edward Rak'sha | Lotus Master [LOOC]: afk have to get icecream for me and mom
[OOC]Oddric: ...Jesus Zaku, just shut up and roleplay. ____________________________
[OOC]Rutabega: the vast majority of you are, now no more ooc, or I'm gonna deal out some indescriminatry justice
[OOC]Zaku: 'Bout time. And I'm done.
[OOC]Oddric: Good.
Oddric | Oddric [LOOC]: Now- your move.
Stephen Kisaki | [VRP|SM](Drakeson)Space Marine [LOOC]: *Sighs*
[OOC]ness: *mumbles*
*** Zaku Daikun starts dragging Oddric away, growling lightly.
Owen Quinney | Crimzon_Reaper|<3 [LOOC]: I'll give her some of my ice-cream~
Player Mayweather left the game (Disconnect by user.)
*** Oddric coughs taking a quiet gasp for air.
*** Zaku Daikun then lets go of him, "And, it's your lucky day-- I could give less of a fuck."
Zaku Daikun: Off you go.
Owen Quinney: It's your lucky day, I hate the cunt you hit.
Owen Quinney: Off you go.
*** Oddric pulls himself away, narrowing his eyes at the three.
Zaku Daikun: Shoo, piggy.
*** Zaku Daikun gestures Oddric away.
*** Oddric begins to walk of muttering. "Assholes..."
Owen Quinney: Did he say . . .
Stephen Kisaki: Yes he did Owen.
*** Zaku Daikun plants his hands on the well, "Yes. Don't bother."
[OOC]Oddric: We need Kruggly's Judge in this damn town.
[OOC]Zaku: We need less cunts.
*** Stephen Kisaki takes off the bandage on his arm and replaces with a new one since it was soaked red in blood.
[OOC]ness: ^
[OOC]Zaku: You first.
[OOC]Oddric: ^
[OOC]Zaku: Before you say anythin'
[OOC]ness: ^
[OOC]ness: nou first
[OOC]Zaku: Nou-- Immaturity at it's best.
[OOC]Rutabega: Zaku, bugger off and go flame some darkrp servers
Stephen Kisaki: Zaku I thought you talked to owen of stop shooting me.
Stephen Kisaki: Seriously.
[OOC]ness: ya.
[OOC]Zaku: Ruta,
[OOC]Zaku: Bugger off, I'm not doing anything wrong.
[OOC]ness: [OOC]Zaku: We need less cunts.
*** Owen Quinney turns to look at Zaku.
[OOC]Rutabega: you're provoking shit
[OOC]Zaku: How so?
Owen Quinney: Shoot him?!
[OOC]Rutabega: like you always are
[OOC]ness: [OOC]Zaku: We need less cunts.
[OOC]Oddric: ^
Owen Quinney: Why I never~
[OOC]Zaku: I am?
[OOC]Zaku: I don't provoke.
[OOC]Narran: *cries in all the screaming*
[OOC]Rutabega: yes, you are
[OOC]Zaku: Narran, It's ok.
[OOC]Zaku: How so?
[OOC]Zaku: Explain please.
[OOC]Crimzon_Reaper|<3: Your penis is bigger than ours, instant provokation.
[OOC]Drakeson: *Hugs narran*
[OOC]Crimzon_Reaper|<3: Now shut up and BIC.
[OOC]Drakeson: Its okay.. Narran... ._.
[OOC]Zaku: Thank you, Crimzon, for that insightful compliment.
Owen Quinney | Crimzon_Reaper|<3 [LOOC]: Case closed.
Owen Quinney | Crimzon_Reaper|<3 [LOOC]: SAY NOTHING MROE.
[OOC]Rutabega: well let's see, anyone that doesn't get along with so many people is obviously provoking some of them
Owen Quinney | Crimzon_Reaper|<3 [LOOC]: More*
Stephen Kisaki | [VRP|SM](Drakeson)Space Marine [LOOC]: BIC?
[OOC]Zaku: Or,
Owen Quinney | Crimzon_Reaper|<3 [LOOC]: ZAKU.
Owen Quinney | Crimzon_Reaper|<3 [LOOC]: I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD.
[OOC]Zaku: I'm just expressing myself, in a mannor nobody wants to hear, because it's true.
Crimzon_Reaper|<3: Stephen Kisaki | [VRP|SM](Drakeson)Space Marine [LOOC]: .......
[OOC]Zaku: And people don't want to loose their kiddies.
[OOC]Zaku: And,
Stephen Kisaki | [VRP|SM](Drakeson)Space Marine [LOOC]: *Salutes to ZAAKU*
Stephen Kisaki | [VRP|SM](Drakeson)Space Marine [LOOC]: I SALUTE TO YOU
[OOC]ness: n we butt fucking kiddies hate you </3
[OOC]Zaku: No, really.
[OOC]Rutabega: no, you're constantly provoking people for whatever reason
[OOC]Zaku: I couldn't tell.
[OOC]ness: oh. ok
[OOC]Zaku: I don't provoke anyone.
[OOC]Oddric: Yeah- I'm the prime example of Ruta's POW.
[OOC]Oddric: *Pov
[OOC]ness: u just provoked us butt fucking kids.
*** Stephen Kisaki stops.
[OOC]ness: we have feelings too you know.
Stephen Kisaki | [VRP|SM](Drakeson)Space Marine [LOOC]: whoop
Stephen Kisaki | [VRP|SM](Drakeson)Space Marine [LOOC]: that was OOC btw
[OOC]Zaku: Which I could give less of a damn about.
[OOC]Zaku: You've lost all respect from me.
Stephen Kisaki | [VRP|SM](Drakeson)Space Marine [LOOC]: Have I been gainging respect Zaku?
[OOC]Oddric: Also, Ruta, I need to speak to Thorn--
Zaku Daikun | Zaku [LOOC]: Yes.
Stephen Kisaki | [VRP|SM](Drakeson)Space Marine [LOOC]: Curiosity
Stephen Kisaki | [VRP|SM](Drakeson)Space Marine [LOOC]: Kk
[OOC]Drakeson: Who doesn't..
[OOC]ness: and , [OOC]Zaku: Which I could give less of a damn about., back at cha.
[OOC]Drakeson: I think Ruta needs some time off with his own characater..
[OOC]Zaku: We know, Ness.
[OOC]Zaku: And, honestly,
[OOC]Zaku: Nobody likes you, either.
[OOC]ness: just sayin'
[OOC]Zaku: So, your point?
[OOC]Rutabega: see, right there,
[OOC]Rutabega: that's provoking
[OOC]Zaku: So was Ness's comment.
[OOC]ness: i never said no body likes you
[OOC]Zaku: And his ignorance.
[OOC]Zaku: He's provoking me, you ever look at it that way? Mr. Bega.
[OOC]Rutabega: and rankly Zaku, I lost all respect for you since you started being such a total fag
[OOC]ness: i said we have feelings.
[OOC]Rutabega: frankly*
[OOC]Zaku: I'm just being like everyone else
Crimzon_Reaper|<3: [OOC]ness: and you attacked me.
[OOC]Drakeson: My opinions... Zaku isn't a fag from my side I think he's a good guy..
[OOC]Oddric: No- you're being an asshole in general.
[OOC]ness: I SAID WE HAVE FEELINGS n' u attacked me.
[OOC]Zaku: Divinity, please.
[OOC]Narran: _____________________________________ the line of shutting up
[OOC]ness: *high gives divi*
[OOC]Zaku: Divinity I wasn't the one that went on a holy crusade of assery, was I?
[OOC]ness: *fives
[OOC]Rutabega: no you're not, you're being a troll, and you ahve been ever since you and Div started taking suckerpunches at eachother
[OOC]ness: Divinty was always nice to me.
[OOC]ness: That's why I respect him, and not you.
[OOC]Oddric: Amen to Ruta and Ness.
[OOC]Zaku: There's this thing, you know.
[OOC]Zaku: 'Tis called ass-kissery.
[OOC]Drakeson: ... I lost respect to Divinity ever since his crying to me of Marcus Death.
[OOC]Zaku: You two, are very good at it.
[OOC]Zaku: "Ruta, you're so right"
[OOC]Rutabega: I figure both Div and Zaku were no batter then eachother
[OOC]Zaku: Only because Ruta has been gaining power.
[OOC]Zaku: You want a share, too.
[OOC]Narran: Please. stop.
[OOC]Oddric: Drakeson, it was that or leaving olden all together. So- grow a pair.
[OOC]ness: no duh.
[OOC]Zaku: And Div,
[OOC]Drakeson: I actually have quite a long time.
[OOC]Zaku: Quite frankly,
[OOC]ness: of course, and maybe its that Ruta is right.
[OOC]Zaku: Good riddance.
(ADMIN) Kelly Laurence banned Zaku Daikun for 60 minute(s) (go flame some darkrp servers and come back later)
[OOC]ness: THANK YOU.
[OOC]Oddric: <3.
[OOC]Drakeson: FUcken shit
[OOC]ness: <3
[OOC]Drakeson: COME ON
[OOC]Rutabega: dirty fag
[OOC]Drakeson: Bah.
[OOC]Oddric: ^
[OOC]Narran: sigh
[OOC]ness: lol.
[OOC]Drakeson: Go fuck yourself Divinity, seriously
[OOC]Narran: why is there so much sadsad in the world
[OOC]Crimzon_Reaper|<3: Completely useless.
[OOC]ness: nou.
[OOC]Drakeson: Go grow a pair before you even talk about me growing one.

Now, to being with 'Injustice'.

I was banned for voicing my opinion, yes sixty minutes is beside the point. I'm actually glad I was banned, it's motivated me to make this post. Like I was saying, I got banned for 'provoking' and 'trolling'. I don't know about you, but me? I see no trolling whatsoever. I was merely voicing my opinion. Yes, I am blunt. Yes, I might've thrown a subtle insult here and there. But where did I ever flame to such an extent that deserved an outright ban.

Or was it the fact that I told Ruta to actually DO HIS JOB. Because, quite frankly. Nobody is. Ruta claimed I was breaking rules, when in fact, Divinity was too. In reference to when he said: "Get back in character, or rape". Rule Nine, anyone? But, did you see Ruta make any sort of statement in this regards? No, no you didn't. And when I pointed it out, I was merely 'Provoking' an incident, so intellectually put. Ruta said: "No, because I specifically said don't make fun of Ness."

Do I smell Favoritism? At it's finest? Why is Ness above me? Why can Divinity talk about rape so freely, and even go to SUPPORTING IT. When I'm not even allowed to voice my opinion without somone going: "Oh my god, Zaku is a trolling faggot."

Is it wrong for someone to want another person, who thinks of their self so... highly, to actually do their job? Is it wrong for someone to want to play in a community, where they enforce their own rules? I think not.

So, please. Tell me, where did I go wrong?

Now, as we move on. Let me point out the immaturity, in these logs. We'll start after, I got banned.

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(ADMIN) Kelly Laurence banned Zaku Daikun for 60 minute(s) (go flame some darkrp servers and come back later)
[OOC]ness: THANK YOU.
[OOC]Oddric: <3.
[OOC]Drakeson: FUcken shit
[OOC]ness: <3
[OOC]Drakeson: COME ON
[OOC]Rutabega: dirty fag
[OOC]Drakeson: Bah.
[OOC]Oddric: ^
[OOC]Narran: sigh
[OOC]ness: lol.
[OOC]Drakeson: Go fuck yourself Divinity, seriously
[OOC]Narran: why is there so much sadsad in the world
[OOC]Crimzon_Reaper|<3: Completely useless.
[OOC]ness: nou.
[OOC]Drakeson: Go grow a pair before you even talk about me growing one.

Somone getting banned, and their celebrating? Oh, an admin stooping so low as to insult somone behind their back? Is this what Olden is about?
Seriously, now? And I was the one at fault here? Please.

Now, tell me. Where did I go wrong?

+ Support
Have logs as well..
To Confirm these actions to the fullest extent 100%

Good, good.

So when the first person says,

"These are doctored"

I can rely on you, thank you Drakeson.

Wow, sounds like a bunch of BS up in here.

Gambit wrote:

Wow, sounds like a bunch of BS up in here.

I think this is another case of admins not doing their job (for whatever reason, not necessarily being a bad admin).

Kruggly wrote:

Gambit wrote:

Wow, sounds like a bunch of BS up in here.

I think this is another case of admins not doing their job (for whatever reason, not necessarily being a bad admin).

It's much more then that. It's favoritism, immaturity, and injustice.

It's what Olden is these days.

These are medic'd.
[/offtopic]
Above thing is joke.
Anyway, now that I'm on topic, and I have read this fully.(I can pop an image macro here if you want.)
I am taking serious attention to your case.
Although, I think Drake is personally slightly rubbing it in to Div, but that's another event altogether.
I watch.

Off-topic:

Spoiler:

Now, more on-topic. I saw wrong from both sides.
Zaku, you are blunt. Yes, you're voicing your opinion, but it's a blunt opinion. And you do throw in insults here and there. I would say you were actually on the verge of flaming. And Drakeson, the same goes for you.

But then, on the other hand, it also seems like Ruta has sided with Divinity and Ness. He's seemingly ignoring everything Divinity and Ness say that break the rules.
Ness called himself a "butt-fucking kid" several times. So, that means he's okay with it. If not, you should stop calling yourself that, Ness.

And then, he calls him a "dirty fag", after he's banned him? That's just not right. Feel what you want. But keep it to yourself. Show some proffessionalism. Even if the person in question is there or not. And Ruta, no offence, but you can get a bit hostile when one points out a mistake you make. It's like you're trying to hide yourself from them, instead of trying to adress them.

And celebrating is not very honourable either. But I can't say anything on that point, as I've caught myself celebrating after certain bans as well.

And seriously, Divinity. I hope the "Not necessarily, Narran" part was not a response to "Rape is a horrible thing". Because then you really need to go get help.

We can't judge those people making slight pops at each other with frustration, that essence of anger corrupts us all - even if for brief seconds as we type messages.

Leave out the bickering, focus on the main points at hand. Rule 9 needs to be enforced better, and yeah - see Mack's post above.

Drakeson did nothing wrong. He saw the injustice from the start, he was only responding to it. And I thank him for this. He shows that Olden still has a little, tiny bit of chance left. And, Divinity has been trolling ,and constantly harassing Drakeson for his lose of Marcus. So, Divinity is at much more of a fault then Drakeson. But what else is new?


And, Mack, everything you just said their is the truth. We're not perfect, I'm sure as hell am not. And I know I was on the verge of flaming, but what do you expect? Frustration leads to hate, and anger.

Zaku350 wrote:

Frustration leads to hate, and anger.

And anger, to the dark side.

I'll call Ruta and his posse and see if they want to defend themselves/counterrage in this thread.

Indeed. It seems both parties were quite pissed off at one another. So that just escalates it.

In the end, I think it's best to just let an argument go when you feel it's going too far. Just drop it or take it to SF. And if you take it to SF, you should still drop it when it turns into a flame-war.
It's all about personal responsibility, really. You shouldn't get pissed at someone for anything they say. No matter if they call you a butt-fucking kid. A fucktard troll. A horrible admin. Or a complete idiot.

It's like someone whose name I do not remember once said.

Hating a man is like burning down your own house to kill a rat

......
You know what I find funny,
Favoritism exists still when some people said there were going be no more of that...
Whats more funny....
That we the people without admin rank...
Do more than the admins...

Zaku, you are constantly winding people up and causing issues.

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Zaku: RICO DID IT

Ever since you and Div have been taking sucker punches to eachother, you've both been constantly trying to piss eachother off. Not only that, but you're forever going after people for other things, like Ness, when he at one point told you to stop, then I told you to stop, you continue to go on about it for your own self righteous reaons.

You have been, and continue to cause problems here despite people constantly telling you to stop and frankly, I'm getting sick and tired of it.

Even this whole post here, is trying to cause more problems and piss more people off.

Rutabega wrote:

Zaku, you are constantly winding people up and causing issues.

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Zaku: RICO DID IT

Ever since you and Div have been taking sucker punches to eachother, you've both been constantly trying to piss eachother off. Not only that, but you're forever going after people for other things, like Ness, when he at one point told you to stop, then I told you to stop, you continue to go on about it for your own self righteous reaons.

You have been, and continue to cause problems here despite people constantly telling you to stop and frankly, I'm getting sick and tired of it.

With all due Respect Rutabega,
ZAKU isn't the only problem it seems you are only throwing the daggers at him not EVERYONE ELSE.....
I am as well as a problem considering I still flame at people and I hate divinity with all out heart truth to the public and I even flamed him in OOC.
But it seemed you only focused on Zaku when he was exposed to weakness of being ganged up on two people.
Thats my opinion right there.

Nobody is perfect, we were all at fault. But that doesn't justify anything.

It was injustice, and favoritism. Why was I the only one punished? Yes, I deserved it. Yes, I was flaming. But, I wasn't the only one who was due for justice. Yet, the only one who was punished-- and quite frankly, in recent times. They only one that's ever punished.

I can take a ban, I'm not crying because I won't get my role play fix for an hour. I'm upset, because I feel the well-being of the community as a whole is being threatened. As soon as corruption begins to leak it's way into the administration. The community is going to crumble.


And, I'm not trying to wind anything up. If anyone's doing he winding, it's you, and only you.

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Ever since you and Div have been taking sucker punches to eachother, you've both been constantly trying to piss eachother off. Not only that, but you're forever going after people for other things,

Don't break up a fight and punish only him who hit the hardest. They're both equally guilty then.

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ike Ness, when he at one point told you to stop, then I told you to stop, you continue to go on about it for your own self righteous reaons.

The logs here with him calling himself a "butt-fucking kid" clearly show that he
A) doesn't mind it.
B) has grown to accept it.

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Even this whole post here, is trying to cause more problems and piss more people off.

Maybe. Or maybe he's pissed himself, due to injustice, and need to vent some anger. Either way, it's still here.

Woah. You guys. You need to mellow the fuck out.

With Div's post he was just being a dumbass for posting "NO MORE OOC OR RAPE" was stupid but I highly doubt it was anything other then a stupid comment and I personally don't see a problem about something as pointless as one stupid comment, it's not as if he was going around preaching rape to everyone.

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Woah. You guys. You need to mellow the fuck out.

Agreed. This entire thing would never have happened if the argument would've just been dropped and a draw been declared. Then we'd all be happy roleplayers, if but only for a moment longer.


And Ruta, all trolling attempts are exactly the same as jokes, except for the point where you say "just kidding".

No, Mack, we wouldn't.

Because I would've brought this up anyway. Now's the time to stop pushing everything aside. That's exactly what we DON'T want to do.

Admins need to start enforcing rules, they need to stop picking favorites out of the bunch. And when they're pointed out, and are threatened by a player. They need to deal with it in a manner that's not outright banning them.

Because that's what happened, right here.

As well as getting a Honorary ADMIN
REPLACE THE HEAD ADMINS THATS ON VACATION

Seriously I would even vote for Zaku or Mack both of them at least to be a Admin, MACK especially he's been doing a lot A LOT more than admins that sits on the side lines.

AS noobs and minges cross our borders and wreck it to hell interrupting RP's and not wanting to learn.

Zaku you have my support.


Viva la unban.

Uberman7788 wrote:

Zaku you have my support.


Viva la unban.

......
Its only one hour dude...

By end of this discussion he'd be unbanned by the time.